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I started as a medior consultant and grew into a senior.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; header_2_font=&#8221;Titillium Web|600|||||||&#8221; header_2_font_size=&#8221;36px&#8221; header_2_letter_spacing=&#8221;2px&#8221; header_2_line_height=&#8221;1.3em&#8221; custom_margin=&#8221;||12px|||&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_tablet=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_phone=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_last_edited=&#8221;on|desktop&#8221; animation_style=&#8221;flip&#8221; header_2_font_size_tablet=&#8221;&#8221; header_2_font_size_phone=&#8221;28px&#8221; header_2_font_size_last_edited=&#8221;on|phone&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<h2><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"bullet\" src=\"https:\/\/gemba.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/Vector-5.png\">  You like to find out what is technically possible. How does that work in practice? <\/h2>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; text_font=&#8221;|300|||||||&#8221; text_line_height=&#8221;22px&#8221; animation_style=&#8221;slide&#8221; animation_direction=&#8221;left&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI have four servers running at home with my own Maximo environments, including IBM MAS now. I try things out there and look for the limits: what is possible as standard, and what if you go a step further? Making processes easier for customers, I like that. For example, when creating work orders, a customer had to fill in a complex risk matrix. Together with the team, I solved that in a simple pop-up flow. I came up with it and figured it out, and the team made it. And in Scheduler, I found a way for planners to move work to a next period all at once.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; header_2_font=&#8221;Titillium Web|600|||||||&#8221; header_2_font_size=&#8221;36px&#8221; header_2_letter_spacing=&#8221;2px&#8221; header_2_line_height=&#8221;1.3em&#8221; custom_margin=&#8221;||12px|||&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_tablet=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_phone=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_last_edited=&#8221;on|desktop&#8221; animation_style=&#8221;flip&#8221; header_2_font_size_tablet=&#8221;&#8221; header_2_font_size_phone=&#8221;28px&#8221; header_2_font_size_last_edited=&#8221;on|phone&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<h2><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"bullet\" src=\"https:\/\/gemba.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/Vector-5.png\">  Colleagues say that you get things moving with customers. What do you do then? <\/h2>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; text_font=&#8221;|300|||||||&#8221; text_line_height=&#8221;22px&#8221; animation_style=&#8221;slide&#8221; animation_direction=&#8221;left&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI listen carefully first. I see how things are going and use my antennae, technically and organizationally. I can talk just as easily with mechanics as with managers, because I come from practice myself. You soon notice that people think: okay, he understands how we work. Then there is immediately a different kind of conversation, much more open and substantive.    <\/p>\n<p>If I see that Maximo is not fully utilized, I start a conversation about what the system can do and how to use it smartly. By explaining things in a strategic, understandable way, movement often occurs automatically.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; header_2_font=&#8221;Titillium Web|600|||||||&#8221; header_2_font_size=&#8221;36px&#8221; header_2_letter_spacing=&#8221;2px&#8221; header_2_line_height=&#8221;1.3em&#8221; custom_margin=&#8221;||12px|||&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_tablet=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_phone=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_last_edited=&#8221;on|desktop&#8221; animation_style=&#8221;flip&#8221; header_2_font_size_tablet=&#8221;&#8221; header_2_font_size_phone=&#8221;28px&#8221; header_2_font_size_last_edited=&#8221;on|phone&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<h2><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"bullet\" src=\"https:\/\/gemba.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/Vector-5.png\">  You also supervise many colleagues. How do you approach that? <\/h2>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; text_font=&#8221;|300|||||||&#8221; text_line_height=&#8221;22px&#8221; animation_style=&#8221;slide&#8221; animation_direction=&#8221;left&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhat I like is helping colleagues grow. Especially young consultants. You may know where the buttons are, but if you don&#8217;t understand what a customer wants with them\u2026 then you&#8217;re missing something. I always ask: where do you want to be in a few years? What do you want to learn? And I explain how a customer thinks or works. That is knowledge that I take with me from practice.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; header_2_font=&#8221;Titillium Web|600|||||||&#8221; header_2_font_size=&#8221;36px&#8221; header_2_letter_spacing=&#8221;2px&#8221; header_2_line_height=&#8221;1.3em&#8221; custom_margin=&#8221;||12px|||&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_tablet=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_phone=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_last_edited=&#8221;on|desktop&#8221; animation_style=&#8221;flip&#8221; header_2_font_size_tablet=&#8221;&#8221; header_2_font_size_phone=&#8221;28px&#8221; header_2_font_size_last_edited=&#8221;on|phone&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<h2><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"bullet\" src=\"https:\/\/gemba.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/Vector-5.png\">  You mentioned that you lost your wife this year. How do you look back on that period? <\/h2>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; text_font=&#8221;|300|||||||&#8221; text_line_height=&#8221;22px&#8221; animation_style=&#8221;slide&#8221; animation_direction=&#8221;left&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p>\u201cMy wife passed away in April, after being ill for nine and a half years. That was very intense. For a long time, I thought I just had to keep going. But at one point your body says: stop.   <\/p>\n<p>During that period, I noticed how important my antennae are. I use them in my work, but also privately: sensing what is going on, what I need and when I need to adjust. A Buddhist coach taught me why I do things the way I do. Where my strength lies. Where I need to slow down. That still helps me. It was tough, but I am grateful that I can now take steps forward again.\u201d      <\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; header_2_font=&#8221;Titillium Web|600|||||||&#8221; header_2_font_size=&#8221;36px&#8221; header_2_letter_spacing=&#8221;2px&#8221; header_2_line_height=&#8221;1.3em&#8221; custom_margin=&#8221;||12px|||&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_tablet=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_phone=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_last_edited=&#8221;on|desktop&#8221; animation_style=&#8221;flip&#8221; header_2_font_size_tablet=&#8221;&#8221; header_2_font_size_phone=&#8221;28px&#8221; header_2_font_size_last_edited=&#8221;on|phone&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<h2><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"bullet\" src=\"https:\/\/gemba.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/Vector-5.png\">  What gave you support within Gemba during that period?<\/h2>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; text_font=&#8221;|300|||||||&#8221; text_line_height=&#8221;22px&#8221; animation_style=&#8221;slide&#8221; animation_direction=&#8221;left&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p>\u201cColleagues and customers sympathized and gave me the space to switch back for a while. That gave peace. Step by step I was able to look ahead again.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; header_2_font=&#8221;Titillium Web|600|||||||&#8221; header_2_font_size=&#8221;36px&#8221; header_2_letter_spacing=&#8221;2px&#8221; header_2_line_height=&#8221;1.3em&#8221; custom_margin=&#8221;||12px|||&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_tablet=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_phone=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_last_edited=&#8221;on|desktop&#8221; animation_style=&#8221;flip&#8221; header_2_font_size_tablet=&#8221;&#8221; header_2_font_size_phone=&#8221;28px&#8221; header_2_font_size_last_edited=&#8221;on|phone&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<h2><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"bullet\" src=\"https:\/\/gemba.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/Vector-5.png\">  Do you also have warm or funny memories of your time at Gemba?<\/h2>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; text_font=&#8221;|300|||||||&#8221; text_line_height=&#8221;22px&#8221; animation_style=&#8221;slide&#8221; animation_direction=&#8221;left&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAlbufeira, the Gemba outing. It was the year I was getting married, I had only just joined Gemba. As a joke, I had bought a bright yellow Speedo, a bit Dries Roelvink-style. The first day we all walked to the pool and I showed up in that thing. They have never forgotten that moment. It suits me too.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; header_2_font=&#8221;Titillium Web|600|||||||&#8221; header_2_font_size=&#8221;36px&#8221; header_2_letter_spacing=&#8221;2px&#8221; header_2_line_height=&#8221;1.3em&#8221; custom_margin=&#8221;||12px|||&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_tablet=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_phone=&#8221;50px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding_last_edited=&#8221;on|desktop&#8221; animation_style=&#8221;flip&#8221; header_2_font_size_tablet=&#8221;&#8221; header_2_font_size_phone=&#8221;28px&#8221; header_2_font_size_last_edited=&#8221;on|phone&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<h2><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"bullet\" src=\"https:\/\/gemba.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/Vector-5.png\">  What are you looking forward to in the coming years?<\/h2>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.27.4&#8243; text_font=&#8221;|300|||||||&#8221; text_line_height=&#8221;22px&#8221; animation_style=&#8221;slide&#8221; animation_direction=&#8221;left&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI just want to build again, with customers and within Gemba. 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